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6 years 11 months ago #34128 by Jim_
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Hey keggs thanks for the tour and advice.

Iam not sure I agree all the people out there selling fish bought all them from people selling out I do think people breed there own fish and make a little money on what they probably like to do, I am not trying to get rich, or make this a living but you never know what will happened once you adventure in to something, and maybe I will spend some money and get burnt out in 2 years but I am giving it a try. If there is anyone who is currently breeding cichlids with success if you can chime in I think this is going to become a good discussion for new breeders. I know people have alot of questions and it is sometimes overwhelming to search internet so many different opinoins out there. thanks for all the comments and advice I will keep this updated with my progress. and keep askinf questions

I now have three 55 3 20 and 2 10 I am whating to pickup my 6 40 at the end of the month. I am going to go with sponge filters, looking for a good pump to run them, and I am not sure what heaters I am going with yet any advice on that, I think it would be hard to mantain the temp in the room I am setup so I will need heaters. I will be spray painting the back of the tanks with black. I found a guy selling cheap led 1 watt lights witch should be fine and in the long run I wont have to buy bulbs so I think I will go with them. and I will be doing sand on the tanks I have for the breeding fish. bare bottom for the rest.

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6 years 11 months ago #34121 by mikeg2929
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One thing folks always forget is the cost of their time. If changing water takes you away from the valuable things in life - kids, other hobbies, family, etc. - all so you can make a few extra $ each month (or at least feel like you are) its probably a bad trade. The guys you see selling tons of fish and plants at the swaps - lots of it get purchased from farms and from guys blowing out of the hobby. They resell it and make a few bucks.

One fish you can always sell - and it isnt a peacock - is the yellow lab.

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6 years 11 months ago #34120 by Nuchal Man
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There is a saying the the key to making a small fortune in the aquarium hobby is to start with a large fortune!

There isn't much money to be had. It's one thing to try to make some money on your fish to cover the costs of keeping fish, but it's not a way to make a living. You are clearly interested in the hobby now because you are interested in and enjoy keeping fish and because it is a hobby! When you try to make it into a profit making venture, I think you'll find it takes a lot of the fun out and you'll burn out. If you're doing it for the money you have to be supplying fish that are popular and in demand. This cuts down a lot on what you are interested in keeping as you will have to dedicate your tanks to fish that you can sell not what you actually want to keep.

Just my 2 cents

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6 years 11 months ago - 6 years 11 months ago #34119 by mikeg2929
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I was told there would be no math, but........

1 species in a 40. It takes 4 - 6 months to get the fry to truly marketable size. You can sell them for $1 at 1", but all you'll be doing is burning $ and time.

Each month you save 25 fry. You need a 20 gallon tank for each - minimum. Space makes water changes easier because you can do that less frequently.If it takes 4 months to get them to 2" and the males having a tiny bit of color, you need 4 - 6 20 gallons per species. Holy shit thats a lot of tanks.

Better math - breed in 2 40 gallon tanks. Save 5 - 10 fry per month and as they get bigger, add fry from month's 1 - 3 to one of the 40 breeders, and so on.

You'll still lose money, spend way too much time on this and be out of the hobby in under two years, but at least you wont blow all your dough on fry and extra tanks.

You would be better off buying 50 of each fry, putting them into a 100 gallon stock tank and growing them out. Sell the colored males as a trio with two females and nail the newbs for $40 per trio.
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6 years 11 months ago #34108 by Kegger22
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Jim_ wrote: I did meet a breeder who has been doing it forever and mad a ton of money he put his kids through collage.


Well, then you were 2 miniutes from my house so that tells me you are in the area, feel free to PM me and we can set something up so you can see how things can(or maybe shouldn't be) done considering I have approx. 7 or 8 different species of peacocks and another 10 or so different haps all set up to breed

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6 years 11 months ago #34106 by Jim_
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wow no money to be had I hope your wrong. I do love african cichlids dont get me wrong, I always wanted to breed them, but I am hopping to someday make money from my hobby. I want to breed all pure strains not in it to create new breeds. So I am going to setup the 40 buy about 30 fry hopefully at 2 bucks to keep my cost down to start out raise them and when they start to color up pick the best males and some females then sell of the rest . I am going to go with sponge filters witch I never used before and regular water changes and see where it takes me. thanks for all the info. I did meet a breeder who has been doing it forever and mad a ton of money he put his kids through collage.

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6 years 11 months ago #34104 by sawboy
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I will also add that, two 55 gallon tanks for grow outs will be a problem if you're growing out more than two species at any one time. Female peacocks are nearly identical at small sizes.

Also, a 40 is not too small. It is too small for the number you suggested.

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6 years 11 months ago #34103 by TANK
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I attended the Milwaukee Aquarium Society( milwaukeeaquariumsociety.com/wp/ ) meeting last night and the speaker was Steve Lundblad. He is an expert on the Aulonocara species. In his facility for breeding he pointed out that he uses 40 and 60 gallon tanks(18' tanks). I agree with the ealier post you are not going to make $ raising fish all you can hope to do is offset the cost. However if you start with fish you know are pure strains I do believe there is a market for Peacocks. In the hobby currently the peacocks are being crossed or even hybridized to develop new color varieties which are sriking sometimes. However for the purist not great for the hobby and this is being done simply for the $. If I were you I wouldn't get into breeding fish because you want to make $. But rather do it for the challenge,learning exsperiance and just plain fun of it.There are a ton of great Hobyist in the area I doubt any of them pay for it by breeding their fish. I know this is short notice but Steve is giving a talk today at the Madison Club( madisonaquatichobby.com/ ) I think it might be worth the trip for you Jim just to here what he has to say.
Good Luck

Tank

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6 years 11 months ago #34102 by scubadiver
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IMHO there is no money to be had raising and breeding fish you'd be better off with a lemonade stand.

My fish hobby costs me $$$$ per year, so I am the wrong person to ask, I treat it like golf, boating etc.

It's a great hobby if you can recoup 50% of your costs thats great if you are in it to make money you are part of the problem not the solution. We have a too few many people in the chicago land area that are more about the money than the fish.

That being said nothing is wrong with raising marketable fish.

The fish in demand changes each few months.

40 breeders are great tanks - but not big enough once the fish grow to full size when you have large breeding groups.

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6 years 11 months ago #34101 by Jim_
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My goal is make some money to support my fish hobby I really want to do it the right way the first time, I watched a video on you tube from a place called kg tropicals,he said a 29 gal is a good tank to breed in, and some people are telling me 40 is to small I guess you just get to much info when you research you just have to pick and choose what you listen to. I want to a breeders house that is useing 20 gal tanks.
So I guess I am going with 6-40 gal cause I am getting a deal on them, I am also going to set up 6 20 and I have 2 55 I will use for grow out tanks

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