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7 years 9 months ago #34180 by Malatang
Replied by Malatang on topic new to breeding
How's it going Mike, you still in the Chicagoland? I'm down in Kansas City now. I have a different cichlid problem down here, hardly no one keeps them beyond the LFS ones.

Are you keeping fronts still? I got back in touch with Chris Hazard, says he hasen't talked to you in a long time. He is in need of a group of fronts, his big male Moba is sick and he don't think it will make it.

If I was ever get serious again with breeding/selling I would go with the 100 gallon rubbermaid totes for grow outs myself.

A guy down here sells 275-330 gallon totes, if somone had the room they would make great growouts.

kansascity.craigslist.org/grd/4005326885.html

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7 years 9 months ago #34179 by Malatang
Replied by Malatang on topic new to breeding
Mike its Brent :-)

Cut a piece of plywood to the shape of the top of the tub, paint it with marine paint, then cut it in half so you can put hinges on, then cut an opening in the plywood and attach a peice of plexiglass.

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7 years 9 months ago #34178 by mikeg2929
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Brent (brett?) is right on. There are a lot of ways to skin a cat, and I would probably do it a little differently, but you need a ton of tanks to really breed one fish. Terry Tankersly (spelling) sells smaller (0 gallon) tubs on the gcca classifieds which would be great for this.

When I redid my last fishroom, I had over 100 adult frontosa in my tanks. I broke everything down and transferred the fish to 5 rubbermaid tubs. It worked great. the only problem was the humidity - which was terrible. Covering big tubs is a challenge.

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7 years 9 months ago - 7 years 9 months ago #34176 by Malatang
Replied by Malatang on topic new to breeding
A few things to think about, you have long cold winters up there, if this is going in an unfinished basement you are going to want to have 5 watts per gallon for heaters, 10 gallon 50 watts, 40 gallon 200 watts etc...

If you can dedicate an insulated room, you might be better off to heat the room not the tanks, depending on how many tanks you set up.

www.jehmco.com is hands down the best place to get supplies, I recommend doing a central air pump and box filters or sponge filters.

Water changes is the most time consuming thing you will have to do, if you can afford it, automate it right from the start there are lots of ways to do it, just google it.

Do not over feed your fish, its easy to do and every new breeder does it. I got some good advise from a long time breeder once, A cichlid thats a little hungry, is a healthy cichlid, remember that.

I wouldn't waste time or money sectioning off a 30 breeder, if you go with the 5 watts per gallon you have 3 10gallons with 3 50 watt heaters, or one 30 with a 150 watt heater.

Don't buy new tanks, its a waste of money(accept when petco has their $1.00 a gallon sale), look on craigslist, buy when you can get tanks at a $1.00 a gallon or less, 125's and larger are worth more. Look for just tanks, you don't need their old filters and junk. Always buy new heaters, you dkn't know how long a used one will last. Don't be afraid to buy tanks that leak, they are good to tear apart and make glass tops with.

Be very particular about who you buy fish from, lots of people selling junk now days. Your lucky, lots of good trustworty people in the gcca, still be carefull. Don't let yourself get carried away and buy every kind of peacock you can get your hands on, you won't have the space to grow them out.

Here is a good rule of thumb, for one species you need a breeding tank, a fry tank, a juvie tank, a large tank 75 bare min that you can put them in and leave them to grow for 8 months, then another large tank that you can put males in as they start to color.

So, get two species of peacocks 2m/4f of each. 2 40 breeders to breed them in, 2 10's for they fry to get them to .75", 2 20-30's to to get them to 1-1.25", 2 75's(preferably larger) to grow them in till males start to color, 2 more 75's(again, preferably larger) to put males in as they color and a years time and you are good to grow out 60-100 fish total, people will only want males so you can cull the majority of females, in the end you will have 30-50 3.5" male peacocks in varoius stages of coloration. Then you can list them on aquabid and the GCCA classifieds and compete with the 100 other people that are selling 3.5 males peacocks.

One more thought, when deciding which peacocks to breed, just look at the GCCA classifieds and you will see the 8 main peacock varients everyone is selling. So you can decide, do you want those (hint everyone's selling them because that's all anyone buys) or do you find a couple super awsome rare ones that no is selling (hint, no ones selling them because no one buys them).

So, do you sell what everyone else is selling and try to compete or do you sell what no ones else is selling(again, no ones selling them because no one buys them)

May seem like I'm busting your chops, but I want to you to see the reality of what your getting into, ya ya I know you met a guy that put his kids through collage and bought a porche and sleeps on piles of money from all the fish he sells. That's not the norm, that's not even remotly abtainable buy .01% of the people that breed and sell fish.



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7 years 9 months ago #34175 by Midknight
Replied by Midknight on topic new to breeding
-- Better be very careful if you're going to partition a tank for multiple species of peacock. If they somehow accidentally get across the partition, you'll never be able to tell. I'd recommend against the idea altogether.
-- The Rubbermaid tubs sound like wonderful grow-out receptacles.

Whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable - if anything is excellent or praiseworthy - think about such things. Philippians 4:8

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7 years 9 months ago #34173 by Jim_
Replied by Jim_ on topic new to breeding
I was thinking about getting 30 gal breeders and separating them to 3-10 gal for my fry so I can save on heaters how hard and what is the best method to separate a tank for fry and keep them from getting throw.

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7 years 9 months ago #34171 by Malatang
Replied by Malatang on topic new to breeding
55's will only get you so far, your going to want 125 and larger if your looking to grow them to any decent size. Throw 50 1.5" juvies in a 125, feed them twice a day, change 30-50% water weekly and they will grow nicely.

Start them in a 10, at .75" move them to a 20-30 gallon, at 1.25-1.5 move them to a 125 or larger. As an alternative, go get some rubbermaid 100 gallon stock tanks and let them grow in them.

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7 years 9 months ago #34170 by Kegger22
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40's to breed and 55's to grow out

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7 years 9 months ago #34164 by Midknight
Replied by Midknight on topic new to breeding
-- Plus a 40 gallon breeder has more surface area than a standard 55 gallon aquarium, which should allow you to keep more fish in it. It allows for more air exchange at the water's surface and provides slightly more space for fish that are bottom-level territorial.

Whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable - if anything is excellent or praiseworthy - think about such things. Philippians 4:8

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7 years 9 months ago #34163 by chefjimmy
Replied by chefjimmy on topic new to breeding
I like both sizes, but you can stack 40 breeders 3 high. It's tough to do with 55's.

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