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7 years 5 months ago #34204 by Malatang
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mikeg2929 wrote: The turkis isn't an easy fish to find. A guy in Chicago, Jim Stigliano, raised a ton of peacocks and that was one he had. I had seen them once or twice, but his were tremendous. He kept them going, but then he moved and sold off all his stock. They disappeared for a long time. Good luck with those.


I had a group from him, they were very nice, makes me a bit nervous if these are gonna be that kind of quality or not. Oh well, that's always the risk you take. I do remember they take longer then most peacocks to fully color.

Sorry to the OP for having a second conversation in your thread.

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7 years 5 months ago #34203 by Malatang
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To be perfectly honest, selling fish is very competitive, people that have found ways to be sucessiful won't often share their secrets.

I've been to peoples places that are "big breeders", they always seem to have adults to sell, but not enough tanks to raise that amount of fish to adults. So, how do they do it? Do they have a building somewhere that's for growout? Do they croud source (have 20-30 different people that only raise one or two types and wholesale to that one person? Do they breed enough to make it look good and purchase the rest from fish farms in Florida at wholesale and pass them off as their own?

Here is my thought, figure out how to make $500.00 a year off each tank you have, 10 tanks = $5000.00 that will cover your expenses and leave you enough to be able to say you are making money.

To add the other comments about tank sizes, a lot of fish don't do well at small sizes in large tanks. Taiwan reefs IME grow slower below an inch in larger tanks. Above an inch, you need a 6 foot tank for them to keep growing good.

I don't think people are trying to discourage you from breeding fish, it can be a lot of fun and rewarding. What people are trying to get you to see is, breeding for the purpose of making money just puts you on a path of frustration and failure. I was in your shoes, I've wasted the money and made the mistakes, learn from mine and others past mistakes.

People breed for many different reasons, they spend lots of money doing it because its a hobby. Even though the majority of people never make any profit, its still rewarding when somone comes to your house and buys some fish that you took the time and effort to breed and raise.

If breeding interests you, go for it, get a few tanks, buy some fish that interest you and have some fun. Don't think of it as a money making venture, if along the way you figure out how to make some money, treat it as a bonus, all your gonna do is buy more fish and equiptment with it anyways, lol.

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7 years 5 months ago #34202 by Jim_
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ok makes sense about the food

that guy has been breeding and selling out of his garage and now just opened a store I think he is doing pretty good.

I think that buy the way people talk there is no one making money, witch I find it hard to believe with all the time and money people put in it.
So I would think all the people that have been reading this there is someone that actually makes money and has something to add. I am getting in to this for fun I love african cichlids, but I wont lie I do want to make money.

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7 years 5 months ago #34200 by mikeg2929
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also, you want the food right in front of tiny fry. Water quality is a lot easier to manage in tiny tanks when you are overfeeding.

As far as the youtube guy - good luck to him, but i think he will be out of business in a year or two. Very hard to succeed in an indoor setting - utilities are a killer.

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7 years 5 months ago #34199 by ziggy2
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As far as why not the 75 right off the bat. It boils down to water changes. It is much easier (and cheaper) to change 50% on a 10 or 20 than it is on a 75. With fry you want to do as many water changes as possible to keep things fresh and it helps them grow. The cleaner the water the better. Just my two cents worth.

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7 years 5 months ago - 7 years 5 months ago #34198 by Jim_
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So thanks for alot of info out there, but I am almost talked out of breeding.

So a couple more? instead of setting up 10g 20g 30 g then 75 or more cant I just put the fry in a 75 right away seams silly to have all those tanks when the finale place will be a 75 or more.less tanks less water less heaters less lights it just makes more sense to me.

I have been watching this video on you tube it is from KGTropicals the guy seams to know what he is talking about and he said 29 gal tank is a perfect size to breed in any response to that.

I wish I had the room for those tubs seams like a good idea

say I wanted to breed a rare fish that was worth good money and was challenging to breed what would that be?

Synodontis Petricola is one of my favorite fish I would like to breed them as well.

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7 years 5 months ago - 7 years 5 months ago #34196 by mikeg2929
Replied by mikeg2929 on topic new to breeding
The turkis isn't an easy fish to find. A guy in Chicago, Jim Stigliano, raised a ton of peacocks and that was one he had. I had seen them once or twice, but his were tremendous. He kept them going, but then he moved and sold off all his stock. They disappeared for a long time. Good luck with those.

Fronts are a great fish. Those early Mobas are better looking, imo, than the later ones. When they were selling for 100 -150 each, I got a call late one afternoon from a guy who could get 200 of them and he wanted me to take 100 at his cost. It cost me well over $6 or $7k, but I made that money back in a few weeks. Loved those blues. I have been fooling around with a large tank and if i set it up it would probably house Mobas or one of the other blue ones. The problem now is i would have to pay retail - ouch!
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7 years 5 months ago #34195 by Malatang
Replied by Malatang on topic new to breeding
Just talked to him tonight, said it died, it was 14". Says he now regrets selling off the other males from the group.

I got the itch in Jan, 9 months and 20 tanks later....well, you know the story. Do you remember a post earlier this year when I was asking about Aulonocara Turkis? I found a group, being delivered on Thursday. Good part is my motivation is not to sell fish this time, having a lot more fun with it.

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7 years 5 months ago #34193 by mikeg2929
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Still in Chicago. Dumped all the fish when my kids where both in jr. high and high school - no time.

Turned the fish room into an x-box room - 2 5" tvs on the wall, etc.
Getting the itch.

Hazard bought one of the first group of young mobas I received. That has to be 7 years plus.

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7 years 5 months ago #34183 by dakwas1940
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;) Great information. Thanks a bunch.

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