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Strange beanii phenom

9 years 2 months ago #30541 by baldtaxguy
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9 years 2 months ago #30530 by dstuer
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male dead as of Sunday morning , took about 48 hours once the start of noticeable symptoms appear.

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9 years 2 months ago - 9 years 2 months ago #30524 by baldtaxguy
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Never seen a syndrome like this in 50 years of fish keeping, thought I'd seen it all.
I don't suspect these beanii are hybrids but....
Wonder if as result of hybridization in other cichlids (flowerhorns and the like), in that, as fish are hybridized or bred to produce human pleasing traits, so are the previously non life threatening bacteria becoming more virulent as a side result.
Or suppressed negative genes riding to the forefront.  
...as in the tomato, bred to withstand shipping, tastes like sh"t.


Really I fish has an issue and we want to link it to hybridization?  Come on now...


I think the point was that flowerhorn enthusiasts have seen it, apparently more frequently, so it's not "just one fish...." And hobbyists have not just one species with this eveident, but both (not one) of Duane's beani have contracted this.  Come on now...

I agree with Duane it unlikely the beani have been crossed, but I acquired them with no knowledge of their lineage.  I do know that there are substantiated rumors (not substantiated by me, but others) of beani discovered within abandoned fish farm ponds in Florida a couple of years ago.  And I believe that is why this previously hard to come by species became very prevalent of late and dirt cheap in value.  How long have these beani been breeding in these ponds and with the likelihood of other species evident in these unattended waters....?  Could there be genetic degredation of these specimans making them more suspectible to this bacteria (or whatever it is) than other specimans, or species? Unless you pull wild specimans from native waters, who knows what you have?  I think the questions exist and cannot be simply or easily dismissed.

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9 years 2 months ago #30522 by dstuer
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For me, a very new phenom.  I would like to know if others have seen this occur, and when (especially if more than 5 years?).
My second choice would have been environmental degradation.
Could genes of the parents (if wild) have been corrupted) to produce such a dramatic aberration.
It appears the paralysis of the jaw inhibits breathing, and of course, prevents food intake.  Very much like our tetanus.
A pic from yesterday, getting more pronounced.

 

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9 years 2 months ago #30521 by Jack
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Never seen a syndrome like this in 50 years of fish keeping, thought I'd seen it all.
I don't suspect these beanii are hybrids but....
Wonder if as result of hybridization in other cichlids (flowerhorns and the like), in that, as fish are hybridized or bred to produce human pleasing traits, so are the previously non life threatening bacteria becoming more virulent as a side result.
Or suppressed negative genes riding to the forefront. 
...as in the tomato, bred to withstand shipping, tastes like sh"t.


Really I fish has an issue and we want to link it to hybridization?  Come on now...

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9 years 2 months ago #30520 by Fishnut2
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I would freeze the specimen, and see if one of the colleges specializing in fish, would disect it for you. Disection and some basic tests should be able to tell if it's bacterial. Florida has at least 3 colleges specializing in fish. I can find a link if you need it. Shedd has some good people on staff as well. They might be able to tell something, just from the pics. George Parsons is the head of fisheries.

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9 years 2 months ago #30519 by spumagoo
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I had never seen it before either. Over the last couple of months I've had the same happen to a fossochromis rostratum and several peacocks. I thought it was from aggression also. I'm curious if it is a bacterial problem now too.

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9 years 2 months ago #30518 by dstuer
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Never seen a syndrome like this in 50 years of fish keeping, thought I'd seen it all.
I don't suspect these beanii are hybrids but....
Wonder if as result of hybridization in other cichlids (flowerhorns and the like), in that, as fish are hybridized or bred to produce human pleasing traits, so are the previously non life threatening bacteria becoming more virulent as a side result.
Or suppressed negative genes riding to the forefront. 
...as in the tomato, bred to withstand shipping, tastes like sh"t.

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9 years 2 months ago #30517 by baldtaxguy
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Had a male lyonsi die with this.  Never saw it before or since.

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9 years 2 months ago #30515 by chefjimmy
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Flowerhorn people speak of a disease called duck lip, kills quickly, and looks like this. Maybe look into this.

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