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feeding ram fry???

1 year 2 months ago #37966 by Turkeyrun
Replied by Turkeyrun on topic feeding ram fry???
It’s been a long time since this post, but do you still have vinegar eel cultures you could start me with?

Jason

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10 years 7 months ago #29861 by gmguy496
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i know its been awhile since i posted been busy but thank you for the info i haven't started but i have a nice looking male and like a challenge.

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10 years 7 months ago #29620 by WaterRat
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I agree with BCParker in that I would stay away from powdered foods when dealing with ram fry.  As with so many other fish, the fry seem to need food with that "wiggle factor" to make them feed effectively.  I tried many different foods with very limited success until I discivered vinegar eels.  As to the discussion between microworms vs vinegar eels, this is purely a personal choice.  I have found microworms smelly, messy, they need to be re-cultured somewhat frequently, and most importantly, my wife will not allow them in our house any longer!  This may just be me.  Vinegar Eel cultures are incredibly easy to culture (vinegar, apple juice and apples) and require virtually no maintenance for months, other than adding a few slices of apple every couple of months.  Harvesting them could not be easier if you use the long-neck bottle method.  A one-quart culture, set up for harvest in a long neck bottle, will last a batch of fry from free-swimming to fully consuming bbs (approx one week).  Another advantage is that you don't need to be as concerned with overfeeding the fry.  Since the eels will live in fresh water for days, they provide a constant supply of live food for the fry.  I also leave a blue LED light on over my fish tanks at night to encourage feeding at night.  The only drawback to using Eels is that they are not very nutritious, but you won't using them for long, most likely, less than a week.  You only need to feed eels until the fry are large enough to eat bbs.  Again, a personal choice, but if you already culture microworms, go with them.

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10 years 7 months ago - 10 years 7 months ago #29613 by BCParker
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I like microworms better than vinegar eels.  I spent a few months messing around with vinegar eels last summer.  Such a pain to harvest them.  Once I got the tiny microworms (walter worms/ banana worms) I passed the eels on to someone else.  So much easier to harvest and feed. Just touch the side of the culture container with a finger then dip it in the tank.  The microworms that I have are the exact same size as the vinegar eels I used to have.  I haven't raised any rams yet but I know they're small enough for bettas and gouramis so they ought to work on rams.

I agree with WaterRat on the SF brine shrimp.  Definitely a difference.  .

I don't know if rams will take the NLS fry stuff. I think any powdered flake food will work fine IF the fry will eat it.  I have much better luck with foods that wiggle. Sometimes it's not the size that matters, it's the moving food that triggers the tiny fry to eat.  Even with something 'easy' like guppies I've noticed a huge increase in survival  using live food.
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10 years 7 months ago #29611 by WaterRat
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I have been breeding Rams for a long time and I am still haunted by the nightmares of watching as whole spawns died due to my ineptness and lack of knowledge when I first started with rams. I don't want to bore other members who may be more experienced as me, but let me first offer you my advice, then, if you want more information, you can reply (or PM) and I'll be more than happy to provide you with more detailed instructions.

From my experience, baby rams are among the most difficult cichlids to raise, primarily due to their small size. You could start with infusoria, but I have had mixed success (mostly bad). My best success has been using a combination of vinegar eels and baby brine shrimp (bbs). For more information on vinegar eels, go to www.ventralfins.com . The greatest advantages to using eels are; 1) They are ridiculously easy to culture and harvest, 2) They are only slightly larger than infuroria, and 3) They live for days in fresh water, so if uneaten, they will not pollute the tank.

From the day my fry reach free swimming, I'll add a squirt of the clear culture into the tank. Beginning day two, I'll start to add some bbs, but not just any brine shrimp, but San Francisco Bay brine shrimp...and yes, there is a difference. Most brine shrimp seem to be  collected from Salt Lake, Utah. SFB brine shrimp are approximately 1/2 to 3/4 the size of Salt Lake brine shrimp (or so the ad says), so they are much smaller. Some of the ram fry are actually able to eat the SFB brine shrimp immediately after entering the free swimming phase. The rest will eat the vinegar eels until they are large enough to eat the brine shrimp (approx one week). Vinegar eels are not very nutritious, so only feed them as long as it takes the fry to grow large enough to eat bbs.  After that, you can discontinue feeding the vinegar eels and feed only the brine shrimp.

If you decide to go the vinegar eel route, I could send you a starter culture if you're interested.  Sorry for the long-winded response, and if you need more information, just let me know. There's nothing worse (in fish-keeping) than to watch an entire spawn of otherwise healthy fish die slowly from starvation and not know what to do about it.

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10 years 8 months ago #29573 by gmguy496
feeding ram fry??? was created by gmguy496
was tossing around the idea of breeding them was wondering whats the best food to use. does anyone know if  the nls fry starter works??

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