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I've been offered a mature Frontosa breeding colony....

9 years 2 weeks ago #27092 by sawboy2
I'm with Mike.  Pull the nangu male.  Keeping these strains pure and true is vital to the hobby.

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9 years 2 weeks ago #27091 by mikeg2929
Keeping strains pure is important if you are ethical and want to sell the fry.

As far as the whole "alpha male" concept goes, I am in the minority, but I dont think it really exists.  I have had over 20 colonies of frontosa and I have seen numerous males breed in each colony.  ALL males are contenders for breeding. 

Other fish to add?  I think you have enough in there, but bigger julies and lamps work well.  Trets, sexfasciatus, lepidolamprologus profundicola, etc.

I would only add a pair or two, however.  And caves with smaller openings. 

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9 years 2 weeks ago #27090 by whetfish
I say pull out the Nangu male.  Especially if you want to breed them.

Not checked for facts.

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9 years 2 weeks ago #27089 by Jim in Michiana
I decided against buying the mixed group......  I figured I'd hold out for something more solid.......  And a few days ago, something fell in my lap........  Someone replied to my WTB ad here on GCCA with a Mpimbwe colony of 10 fish of adult size which I purchased.  The alpha is 10-11" and the females are 6-7-8"..... In this colony, there are 2 Mpimbwe males, 1 Nangu male, and 7 Mpimbwe females.  The fish are all healthy and obviously of high quality.  They had been housed in approx. 180g........  Currently, they are in a 150g, but I am going to be rehoming them to a 300g very soon.  I am considering removing the Nangu from the group to avoid the possibility of mixing strains.  Do you think this is a wise move?, or would leaving him in his established group present no problem.  Will the females breed with anything besides the alpha male ???  I would like to breed these fish, and I am wondering if there are any other fish I could introduce to the 300g that would provide activity in the tank without being detrimental to the Frontosa and their breeding.  Any help or suggestions ?

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9 years 1 month ago #26782 by mikeg2929
Run dont walk.  If the seller was willing to give you a male zaire with a bunch of female "burundi" you have no idea what you are getting.

The "burundi" could be a hodge podge. 

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9 years 1 month ago #26779 by Les
AMEN

tanks, tanks everywhere-and nary a tank to spare!!!

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9 years 1 month ago #26778 by sawboy2
Jim, buy the colony. But PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE remove that male!!!! Breeding them would be the very definition of irresponsible breeding. That male can easily be sold off, and a male Burundi easily sourced. As a matter of fact, I have an extra male in my colony that I will give you FREE if that's what it takes. It is incumbent upon us to prevent this sort of thing when we can. PLEASE don't breed them out as hybrids.

Bob

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9 years 1 month ago #26776 by Jim in Michiana
I've been offered a mature Frontosa breeding colony....  There are 11 fish..... 1M/10F........  The fish are supposedly 4-5 years old and in good health.  The fish are all between 9 and 13".... All (or most all) 10 of the female produce fry regularly.  I feel that the price they are offered at is very reasonable......  I have 2 tanks available (empty) to choose from, a 6'/150g, and an 8'/300g....



BUT.............  You knew there had to be a "BUT" in there somewhere........



The male is a Zaire, and the females are Burundi.......



I have no experience with Frontosa, but I'm pretty sure that mixing collection points is frowned upon unless the intention is to sell the fry as "generic" Frontosa.



I'm looking to hear from people familiar with Frontosa as to what I should do...



Should I........



A: Buy the group and keep them together and let them continue breeding as usual.



B: Buy the group, sell/trade the Zaire for a Burundi.



C: Buy the group and split the females in half, leaving half with the Zaire and the other half with a new Burundi male.



D: Don't buy the group


E: Other (please explain)



Please give me your input, even if you aren't a Frontosa afficianado.  As a hobbyist, would you buy a fish labeled only as "Frontosa" ?



Thanks in advance for your responses



Thanks, Jim

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