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New 55 gal setup

8 years 1 week ago #30748 by Alton
Replied by Alton on topic New 55 gal setup
I agree with Dragonkeeper too. I tried a crawfish in an outside tank and lost a chiclid and pleco in a week to the lil bugger. Needless to say he was let go again.

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8 years 1 week ago #30747 by dragonkeeper
Replied by dragonkeeper on topic New 55 gal setup
A bristlenose Pleco will be just fine in there, but a crayfish will probably get harassed to death.

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8 years 1 week ago #30746 by epdp14
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Assuming your looking to have an all male tank and IMHO 11 to 13 males would be good in a 55. Some species to look at in my opinion:

Red/blue Color:
Ruby Red/German Red (Same species with the German Reds being linebreed)
Red Shoulder (Many variants here too)
Walteri
Eureka

Bluish/Purple:
Ethelwynnae Chitande (Awesome coloring)
Aul. Chitande species (Masinje and/or North are very colorful and have a unique quaility of the sides appearing to change from blue, silver to purple as they swim)
Otter point

Yellowish:
Lemon Jakes
Mbenji
Yellow Princess
Swallow Tail

I know I missed a bunch, but what I could think of right now. I hope others will add to this and allow you to select from those as well. I would definately stay clear of the Fryeri's, they can be very aggressive. Almost any fish with the Genus of Aulonocara is a peacock and there is several haps you can look at. IME haps can take longer to color up but some are well worth the wait. Copadichromis genuses are some cool fish, just watch adult sizes when selecting one. FYI a Red Empress can get 6 to 8 inches but they are a mellow Hap that is primarily a vegatarian too. Great substrate cleaners.


Awesome suggestions! Those look great. Would these be compatible with a crayfish and/or a pleco for algae cleaning?

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8 years 2 weeks ago #30745 by Alton
Replied by Alton on topic New 55 gal setup
Assuming your looking to have an all male tank and IMHO 11 to 13 males would be good in a 55. Some species to look at in my opinion:

Red/blue Color:
Ruby Red/German Red (Same species with the German Reds being linebreed)
Red Shoulder (Many variants here too)
Walteri
Eureka

Bluish/Purple:
Ethelwynnae Chitande (Awesome coloring)
Aul. Chitande species (Masinje and/or North are very colorful and have a unique quaility of the sides appearing to change from blue, silver to purple as they swim)
Otter point

Yellowish:
Lemon Jakes
Mbenji
Yellow Princess
Swallow Tail

I know I missed a bunch, but what I could think of right now. I hope others will add to this and allow you to select from those as well. I would definately stay clear of the Fryeri's, they can be very aggressive. Almost any fish with the Genus of Aulonocara is a peacock and there is several haps you can look at. IME haps can take longer to color up but some are well worth the wait. Copadichromis genuses are some cool fish, just watch adult sizes when selecting one. FYI a Red Empress can get 6 to 8 inches but they are a mellow Hap that is primarily a vegatarian too. Great substrate cleaners.

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8 years 2 weeks ago #30744 by epdp14
Replied by epdp14 on topic New 55 gal setup
Thank you everyone for the quick replies. Sorry I was ambiguous in the original post, but I was unsure even what the kinds of cichlids are. After researching for a while on the different types outlined here I think I prefer haps and peacocks. That being said, what would you suggest? I know that your tastes/preferences are almost certainly different from mine, but thats ok... I'd still like to know your ideas. What stocking levels, in general, should I target for haps and peacocks? I have read online that people suggest stocking the tank all at once to prevent territorial issues... is this true? I think that the tank's biological filtration will be able to handle it due to the amount of goldfish I bought specifically for this purpose. After looking at tank pictures for a while I think I am going to go part drift wood part rocks for the decorations. In addition to your opinions about the haps and peacocks stocking, can I keep inverts with them? I am specifically talking about an electric blue crayfish or something like that.

Thanks again for your help!

PS I am planning on coming to the swap to stock up, as the local stock available is lacking compared to what will be available then. And my tank will be cycled! Perfect timing.

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8 years 2 weeks ago #30743 by bloonguy
Replied by bloonguy on topic New 55 gal setup
Homework, Homework, Homework!
Do your research and decide what type of fish you like. That's the first step. A lot of fish can be mixed together and a lot can't. Others can be mixed but, only under certain conditions(i.e. males only or no breeding pairs).
Really at this point the question is too broad to really give a good answer to. I understand that you're looking for some specific ideas but, without knowing what you prefer it's kind of hard to know what direction to go with the question. I would reccomend taking a look at the library section on www.cichlid-forum.com . They have some "cookie cutter" setup suggestions that might be a good place to start.
Since you posted in the Malawian section I'll gues that maybe you lean toward the Malawian fish. If that is the case you two ways to go, mbuna or peacocks and haps. If you like bigger pretty fish go with peacocks and haps. If you want lots of activity from somewhat smaller fish go mbuna.
If you do peacocks and haps stick with only males and everyone should get along for the most part. If you add females you will have carnage.
If you go with mbuna do your homework on how to mansge the aggression. Agression is what mbuna are all about.
As far as stocking levels, that all depends on what kind of fish you chose and what kind of upkeep you are willing to do.
Like I said before Homework, Homework, Homework!
If you want some really good first hand advice come to one of our meetings! Nobody knows everything about every type of cichlid but we do have people that specialize in just about every area of cichlid keeping. Anyone of us would be happy to direct you to someone that shares your interest in a particular area.
Hope this helps! Good luck!

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8 years 2 weeks ago #30741 by sawboy2
Replied by sawboy2 on topic New 55 gal setup
Alton nailed the response. Help us help you. Take a look at the profiles on our main page at GCCA.net

That'll give you an idea of maybe what you like and then we can help guide your thought process. Oh, and WELCOME!

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8 years 2 weeks ago #30739 by Alton
Replied by Alton on topic New 55 gal setup
Honestly the Chiclid sand was a waste of money in my opinion. Chiclids love high PH, 7.8 to 8.2 is not uncommon for them. I use Pool filter sand in all my tanks and a 50 pound bag is $8. Rocks are great for your tank and they love the caves. I try to make tunnels they can swim thru and they will play swimming thru them all day. Tall plastic plants are great, real plants never stand a chance in my tanks. They will be stubs over night! Congrats on cycling your tank before putting fish in them.

Are you looking for African, South American, Central American or the other chiclids. If you like Africans there is Lake Malawi, Lake Taganikia and Lake Victoria. If you have a paticular one you really like it would help to go from there. Personally I like Lake Malawi Peacock and Hapochromis species. Your tanks size will work great for most chiclids, I would not get Frontosa's (They need a 6 foot tank), Large Haps (Venustus, Livinstoni's Pike Chiclids.....ECT) and mixing Mbuna with Haps or Peas might be possible but IME will lead to losing fish eventually. Next will you be wanting all males? Will you want to try to breed? (If you do decide to breed chiclids I prefer to have species only tanks, Stops the possibility of hybrids).

Sorry to ask so many questions but there is over 2000 known species of chiclids. So narrowing what you perfer over what I think is best for you requires some questions. Like I mentioned, I primarily have the most knowledge with Haps and Peas.

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8 years 2 weeks ago #30737 by epdp14
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I have been an aquarium enthusiast for around 10 years, but I have never had cichlids. I have mostly had saltwater reef tanks full of coral and tropical saltwater fish. I recently came across cichlids (I had known about them, but only from what is at petsmart and well, thats not much) and I would like to set up my 55 gallon tank as a cichlid show tank.

So far, I have bought "cichlid" sand substrate that is black and white mix that supposedly regulates PH... sand regulates PH in saltwater tanks so hopefully it does in cichlid tanks! I also have 10 medium goldfish in the tank to cycle the tank. Once the tank is cycled all of the goldfish will be given to a friend. So basically I have a clean slate to make an awesome cichlid tank. From reading this forum and others there are an enormous amount of cichlids to choose from. What are your recommendations for the tank inhabitants? Please be as specific as possible with quantities etc. I know a lot about how to take care of fish and invertibrates, but I don't know the specifics of cichlids.

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