Paratheraps fenestratus "pink?"

8 years 2 months ago #30905 by baldtaxguy
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I think the same.  The Conkeli name may have been the original label but appears to have diminished in use over time?

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8 years 2 months ago #30900 by Red Tiger
I used to get Conkels list. On his list they are or were listed as Paratheraps sp. "Catemaco". I have a feeling the lfs didnt know what they got so they listed it as "Conkli Cichlid", but I dont know.

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8 years 2 months ago #30892 by baldtaxguy
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I am not sure anyone saw me take the pics, but I did so openly.  I bought the fish so I can't imagine the store would take issue with it.  And if they did....

Sam, yes, I am not crazy about the name, but Don is a marketer, which I am sure he does successfully.  If he ever comes back to speak to our club, I'd be interested as to what the purpose is of the name (marketing?) when the fish is simply a color variant of a typed species, in my estimation, and without scientists saying otherwise.  As a consumer of the marketing, it leaves me confused as to what I have when it is sold with an invalid name.

But who cares!!  Here are some shots after 24 hours.  Note an indication of coloration on the dorsal and face.





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8 years 2 months ago #30890 by newworld
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Yeah I saw those too but the name attached to them and lfs vieja/paratheraps always have me very nervous, they have and had 1 or 2 big "pink" fenestratus in the big show tank...

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8 years 2 months ago #30889 by chefjimmy
on a side note, im frustrated you got to take a pic at that store, i was there, and wanted to take a pic, and the head lady told me no pictures are aloud. i just said ok and moved on. i never argue, people already look at me like an ogre.,

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8 years 2 months ago #30886 by baldtaxguy
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A bit of the circle of life....maybe.

The second fish that I submitted to our club (dovii was my first) was Paratheraps fenestratus, back in August 2003 (8 years already?).  I originally purchased them from a (still) prominant, (still) respected seller...by accident.  My order back in 2002 was for 8 Paratheraps synspillum.  As these fish grew out, the characteristics were unmistakenably Paratheraps fenestratus.  I inquired with the seller, but he was insistent that he never had fenestratus and that this error could not have possibly occurred.  He insisted they were synspillum (which now don't exist - the fish is now typed as melanurus, so he never had them to begin with...!  :)), but I didn't care - they were awesome looking fenestratus.  The fish grew to about 11", both males and females.  They were brutal to other fish but were neighborly with each other, which is rare for Central American species.  Spawns were immense, just a thundercloud of fry that filled up a 6 foot long tank.  And they glass-banged like an Amphilophus when breeding, always making it clear that I was invading their territory.  This fish, along with my first BAP dovii, is the principle reason I keep 20 tanks in my basement today.

But I digress.  I took a drive over to Aquarium Adventure in Hoffman Estates yesterday to pick up some airstones.  I looked at the central and south american tanks and saw the typical Chicago area nonsense:  exCichlasoma urophthalmus labeled as "red terrors (and priced as red terrors), something labeled "yellow firemouth" ( ???), and a tank full of exCichlasoma grammodes that were, well.......not exCichlasoma grammodes (but they are something :-X).  Nothing untoward, just the potpourri of names and errors that LFS' commonly inherit and use.

Then I came across this tank:





"Conkeli Cichlid"

My first reaction was  ???  So I shot the pictures and did some research on the forums.  It appears that this fish may be the pink variant of Paratheraps fenestratus.  It apparently appears within Lake Catemaco, a Mexican "volcano lake", where there are variants of fenestratus that display pink coloration either in part or throughout.  Various labels have been thrown at them over the last couple of years and earlier, such as "piebald fenestratus," "pink fenestratus," "sp. fenestratus 'Catemaco'" (a reference to the lake where they're found), and "sp. 'Conkeli'" (in honor of Don Conkel, apparently the source for these).  There are posts asserting that DNA testing has occurred and that there is a species with one of these labels distinct from that of Paratheraps fenestratus - a paper on it was told to be "released soon" but that was in January 2010. 

The other school of thought is that its simply a Paratheraps hybrid.  Just as possible as the Lake Catemaco scenario.

So I made my first LFS cichlid purchase in the last 3 years and picked up 6 of these at 2 inches.  Apparently they go through a peeling process, displaying the pink at large sizes, 6" or so.  So time will tell as to what they display as they grow out.  But I thought it interesting enough to get a few to see what develops.  I will not BAP these since they came from the LFS and I have no history on them as fenestratus "pink", especially sold without that name.  But who knows - a prominant, respected seller once sent me fenestratus as synspillum back in 2002, so isn't anything is possible?

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