Pleco breeding history?

6 years 6 months ago #33719 by Fishnut2
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Just a quick followup on Greenwood's original post. The only spawning I've ever heard of for Royal plecos was done at 5D tropical in one of their outdoor ponds. I could get a date and more info if you're interested.

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8 years 2 months ago #31075 by Nuchal Man
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The boat trips are a blast! I've done the Bahamas with Shedd on the RV Coral Reef II around the Bimini Islands where we caught and saw some cool stuff. Just snorkeling though, we didn't dive.

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8 years 2 months ago #31073 by Fishnut2
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That could be a section I've never seen. I get lost in there (in back) the way that the different galleries twist around. I've seen the deep concrete vats (maybe 4' deep), but you mentioned elongated. If you ever run into George Parsons...you could ask him about it. He knows about most of the documentation, and is a wealth of information. But he's terrible about returning phone calls. Did you know about the boats Shedd owns for exploration? They actually do some of thier own expeditions on the Amazon. I'm sure you'd love to tag along on one of those.

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8 years 2 months ago #31056 by Nuchal Man
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There are tons of elongate concrete tubs at shedd in back usually used to breed fish or store fish not on display. There are a bunch in the rivers and lakes gallery where I have volunteered.

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8 years 2 months ago #31044 by Fishnut2
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Sam,

I was behind Amazon Rising. 2 of the 4 people that showed me around were from Amazon Rising. We entered through the Amazon display. But once inside, I get totally lost. I couldn't tell you which displays I was behind...other then the huge shark tank. I seen the lab, the hospital, the food preparation area, shark tank display, the breeding area, and even Mr Parsons office. But I'd be lost in 60 seconds if I was left on my own.

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8 years 2 months ago #31043 by Fishnut2
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Here's a video of what a raceway is:

Look at about 2:30 for the raceway part. I seen a huge complex of raceways at a trout farm in Arkansas. It was so big that they a vehicle with a hopper to drive down the rows and feed the fish. They also had stainless steel mini-raceways indoors, for newly hatched fry.

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8 years 2 months ago #31041 by Nuchal Man
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Have you been behind the scenes in Amazon Rising. I have a little different perspective being a volunteer at shedd and helping breed a few of the fish in back (not in amazon though). The Amazon people recently bred a few species of Teleocichla, which I believe they used a special tank that was high in current as it is a rapid dwelling fish and one that I don't believe has been spawned more than a handful of times. These might be the raceways you speak of.

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8 years 2 months ago #31040 by Fishnut2
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A quick follow-up. I have no doubt Shedd bred some of these plecos back in the 70s. They just didn't have L#s yet back then. I would imagine that they documented in some way. Shedd was the very first to breed red belly piranhas in captivity, and that is VERY well documented. (1966 I think) They didn't have the sophisticated equiptment for water parameters that they have now. Now they have a lab, that monitors each section electronically. They even have a seperate sterile room, for food preparation. The guy was chopping down 25# blocks of frozen food, with a meat cleaver and a hammer, and weighing it for each individual tank. It was the only time I've ever seen Acai berries, instead of a picture of them.

At any rate, I believe they had pleco spawns...and that they're well documented for 70's standards.

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8 years 2 months ago - 8 years 2 months ago #31039 by Fishnut2
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I've been on over 30 "behind the scenes" tours since the early 70s, and never seen any raceways, as such. They do have some large concrete vats, but not fast flowing raceways like you described. Thier breeding area - which you don't get to see on the regular "behind the scenes" tour - is all racks of tanks. The only way I got to see the breeding area, was with the head of fisheries - George Parsons - taking me. Back in the 70s, Shedd had more of an open door policy. I remember throwing the ball around with the dolphins, and actually entering the penquin exhibit. They even showed us where they built thier nest. Times have changed and security has tightened.

The L#s didn't come into existance until 1985 (I'll double-check that date) when the germans came up with a (L# - Loricaridae) system to identify all the different plecos being exported. I think Ingo Seidel was one of 3 people involved with DATZ magazine. I have the original copy, so I'll look it up. It's a good story.

The only Royal Pleco spawn I ever heard of, was done by my friend Larry Vires for 5-D Tropicals in Florida...in one of thier outdoor ponds. Larry was working as a consultant for them at the time. With the salmon gonadotropin hormones they use now, I wouldn't be surprised if they spawn them on a regular basis.
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8 years 2 months ago #30928 by GREENWOOD2
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Well he breed "Otts" and various cichlids as a kid and sold fry to chicago shops at $5.00 per in the 70's. His dad was working for like $7.00 an hour when this high school kid was making $250.00 every time these shop owners walked in the apartment over their butcher shop.

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