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11 years 3 months ago #9396 by Bearfan
I've never seen anything like this.  Sorry for your loss.  I hope you find out what is doing this!

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11 years 3 months ago #9393 by
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I get about 6 months out of a sponge and then I spike it.  I do not do regular sponge cleaning - it would take too much time.  If the sponges are old, and clogged up, you may not have the bacteria load you think you have.  With the big a$$ fish you keep (seriously, that oreo. tang. must poop like a dog) I bet the bio load in some tanks is huge.

Anothert thing.  Cloramax powder - I use it.  It will delay the cycle because it binds the ammonia.  Koi people use it in their shows to keep the water stable and clean in the tubs where they show koi. 

I have more ideas - call me.

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11 years 3 months ago #9388 by baldtaxguy
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Is this the way the dead looked after you put the the haits with the irregularis?
A friend of mine had the same this happen a few months ago, where 1 tank was wiped out, while all his others were fine, so I Emailed him for some insight.
Flushing hydrants shouldn't do anything to fish, that just freshens the water in dead spots, in the distribution system. Here in Milwaukee its done on a regular basis, after the threat of freezing ends.
Your pics look like Columnaris, but I didn't think it could come on as an epidemic, so fast, and was so lethal  "overnight".


No - the irregularis and haits did not show any similar signs.  Not sure what happened there, but read below.

I am watching my water parameters a little more closely, and I have noted that within 36 hours of a water change, my amonia levels increase very quickly.  When I perform a second weekend water change, the amonia appears to stablize until the next weekend.  Note that I regularly change about 40-50% consistently each week with periodic gravle vacuuming.

I made a change about 3 months ago to new water conditioner - Chloramx powder - without noting any issues.  I changed out my power filters to sponges about 6 weeks ago.  Shortly after, about the last 4 weeks is when this bug (maybe columnaris?) presented itself, and right after water changes - so maybe the bug is triggered by the amonia spike that's happening.

These sponges had already been in use for over 12-18 months and seasoned well before the six weeks changeover, and I also have well-established gravel beds, so I don't believe I have cycling issues, but maybe I do.  I am going to experiment with different levels of conditioner on future water changes - but I usually error on the side of too much.  I'll scale it back and observe, but this strategy makes no sense to me.

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11 years 3 months ago #9216 by duanest
Is this the way the dead looked after you put the the haits with the irregularis?
A friend of mine had the same this happen a few months ago, where 1 tank was wiped out, while all his others were fine, so I Emailed him for some insight.
Flushing hydrants shouldn't do anything to fish, that just freshens the water in dead spots, in the distribution system. Here in Milwaukee its done on a regular basis, after the threat of freezing ends.
Your pics look like Columnaris, but I didn't think it could come on as an epidemic, so fast, and was so lethal  "overnight".

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11 years 3 months ago #9199 by baldtaxguy
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couple of other things you may want to do here to ease your mind on what you may be fighting, call Palatine's water dept. and ask them if they have either been doing any hydrant flushing in your area for one and also ask them if they know if they have been adding extra additives to their water supply because of the spring thaw, they should be able to get you those answers so you know it's not something coming from the tap


Confirmed with Palatine water dept 4/22 - nothing added, no flushing, no main breaks.

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11 years 4 months ago #9126 by FishPeople
FYI they have been hydrant flushing in Des Plaines and Mt Prospect

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11 years 4 months ago #9120 by Kegger22
couple of other things you may want to do here to ease your mind on what you may be fighting, call Palatine's water dept. and ask them if they have either been doing any hydrant flushing in your area for one and also ask them if they know if they have been adding extra additives to their water supply because of the spring thaw, they should be able to get you those answers so you know it's not something coming from the tap

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11 years 4 months ago #9089 by baldtaxguy
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Did you clean the tank out? I would almost do a complete tear down and scub the heck out of that tank.

Is there anything you have changed in the tank. (fish wise.. hard ware wise chemical wise) that could have triggered it. Something new you stuck in the tank. Im sure you have already asked yourself the same questions.


Just did, down to the glass.  Nothing new was originally added, but I just took everything out - pvc tubes and root wood.  Just added a brand new substrate.  I cleaned all nets with new salt water and my python gravel cleaner.  Pulled the sponges and added brand new ones.  Pulled heaters and will be adding new ones.  Did all the same with the second tank with the problem.



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11 years 4 months ago #9082 by mounkey54
increased chorine would not cuse a fungus , if it was a chorine problem fish would be well preserved ....I had problems like this and found the cuse to be food that got stuck on the top suport of the tank and then later some how got knocked in

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11 years 4 months ago #9074 by Snake42490
Did you clean the tank out? I would almost do a complete tear down and scub the heck out of that tank.. I could be wrong maybe you are talking about a complete different tank. Im sorry that this came back. Looks like some fungus or something.

Is there anything you have changed in the tank. (fish wise.. hard ware wise chemical wise) that could have triggered it. Something new you stuck in the tank. Im sure you have already asked yourself the same questions.

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