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10 years 4 months ago #20420 by mr.fish
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Thank you to all.  I did a water test yesterday and it seems that it has started to cycle everything but the ammonia levels were in the recommended range for cichlids(ammonia was only .50 higher then it should be). 

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10 years 5 months ago - 10 years 5 months ago #20194 by overleaf
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Hey mike I have a Marineland filter I do not have a sponge filter please advise   you are very to the point and I like that do not want my fish to die and since I am new to the tank world I listended to the petstore people  anything else that can help please let me know thanks   what is cultured filter media   
how can I tell if I have copper in tank   ALL TO HAVE ANSWERED AND HAVE HELPED THANK YOU IT IS GREATLY APPRECIATED


Hey,

Mike was suggesting you get some seeded media in order to introduce some good bacteria.  The bacteria processes ammonia into nitrite and nitrite into nitrate.  You need to learn about the nitrogen cycle.  Essentially the only reason you can keep fish alive in a tank is due to the nitrogen cycle, it's critical you get a grasp on it.

freshaquarium.about.com/cs/biologicalcycle/a/nitrogencycle.htm

One of the easiest ways to reduce/eliminate the cycle time is to use seeded media.  This media was present on another tank with fish/ammonia and has all the good bacteria required to filter your tank.  Most fish stores have several tanks with every filter you can imagine on them, you can usually get seeded media from them however Mike has offered you a preseeded sponge.  You may consider picking up and air pump and taking him up on that offer.  The pump facilitates water flow through the sponge (Mike could explain in person) but here is a link: www.americanaquariumproducts.com/sponge_filtration.html

To test for copper you would use a liquid test kit, keep in mind that the likelihood of copper poisoning is pretty low, but I've seen flashing when it's happened:

www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=15470

Good luck, with a lot of reading you won't need luck... it all falls together.  Also, it's easy for people to be harsh due to your mistakes.  I look at this from another perspective... mistakes are learning experiences, as long as you take the lesson and don't repeat them it was worth it.

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10 years 5 months ago #20173 by madzarembski
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tank is 55 gallon nitrates/nitrites and ammonia within normal level (tested at petco new to the tank world) 6 bristlenose plecos, 1 red belly pacu (currently trying to sell) 1 firemounth, 1 hybrid peacock, 1 regal yellow peacock, 1 oscar, 1 "snow white" zebra, 1 frontosa(small) and 1 cichlasom bolivienese    I cycled the tank for 3 days with nutrocycle then added fish over 6 day period  tested all levels this morning and they were all within normal range


What is a normal parameter for Nitrate? Did they give you a range or just tell you normal? Chances are you had no nitrates indicating the tank has not cycled and they mistook that for "normal".  I Googled "nutrocycle" and could not find it. Most of those fast start products do not work. I'd listen to MIke2929 and find some seeded filter material. If you are close to him I'd take him up on the offer.

my 2 cents

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10 years 5 months ago #20171 by
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lets see - you used some chemical to jump start the cycle then you added a ton of fish very quickly.  You have also done several water changes, added a bunch of meds for an undiagnosed disease and you are wondering why the fish are scratching?  You are not cycled.  The big box petstore said the water was within parameters - probably cause it had recently been replenished with fresh water.

STOP!

Buy a book.  Stop feeding the fish everyday - switch to 2 days per week.  Do a 50% water change to get some of the chems out of the water.  Do a 10% water change NO MORE per week for 5 or 6 weeks and maybe your fish will live.

Alternatively - add some cultured filter media to your tank.  Are you using sponge filters?  If so, swing over to Northbrook Il and I will give you a used sponge filter that is ready to handle the bioload you are currently maintaining.  You can even take the filter I will give you and cut it up and place it in your canister, or your HOB filter.

Add NO MORE fish.  And be patient.  Your tank will probably cycle faster than 6 weeks, but I am giving you a safe window.

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10 years 5 months ago #20170 by overleaf
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Most cichlids do rub against the substrate/items in the tank.  The behavior is called "flashing" and is usually attributed to water hardness, it's perfectly normal unless they're doing it not stop/they have ich.  If it's non stop and there is no ick it's likely something else in the water.

I've seen copper in the water cause excessive flashing and it's toxic to the fish.

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10 years 5 months ago #20169 by mr.fish
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so they are not compatible in same tank ??? 

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10 years 5 months ago #20167 by dgarnier
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If the ph and hardness are ok for the peacocks and 1 "snow white" zebra, 1 frontosa  then I would think the red belly pacu , 1 firemounth and 1 oscar would not like the higher ph and hardness and vice versa

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10 years 5 months ago #20166 by mr.fish
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tank is 55 gallon nitrates/nitrites and ammonia within normal level (tested at petco new to the tank world) 6 bristlenose plecos, 1 red belly pacu (currently trying to sell) 1 firemounth, 1 hybrid peacock, 1 regal yellow peacock, 1 oscar, 1 "snow white" zebra, 1 frontosa(small) and 1 cichlasom bolivienese    I cycled the tank for 3 days with nutrocycle then added fish over 6 day period  tested all levels this morning and they were all within normal range

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10 years 5 months ago #20164 by dragonkeeper
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How big is the tank?
What are you nitrates, nitrites, ammonia?
accurate stock list?
How did you cycle the tank?

This would all be helpfull info in assisting you in your problem. Right off the top of my head I'm thinking it is a water chemistry problem.

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10 years 5 months ago - 10 years 5 months ago #20160 by mr.fish
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I started a new tank 2-3 weeks ago and added several fish from 2 different breeders (not pet store) all my fish scrape against the gravel or rocks  used ick away and changed water 2X that didn't help so I purchased organic antifungal meds  that does not seem to be helping they do not have any spots or shredded fins  all that concerns me is the scratching please help  they are not doing it consistently and not all are doing so I have peacocks, hybrids, plecos, firemouth, oscar other assorted cichlids
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