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Cynotilapia Afra White Top Clown

3 years 10 months ago #35849 by IndecisiveCichlidKeeper
Thank you Jason, Didn't mean for the post to become a bigger deal than just to try and get a correct ID on them since they were looking different and a few other people were telling me the same thing. They are still a nice looking fish and pulpican are probably harder to find overall. The health even after transport and sitting in the holding tanks was still great and there is even a holding female already as of last night.

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3 years 10 months ago - 3 years 10 months ago #35848 by PhilandLeeAnn

IndecisiveCichlidKeeper wrote: I have raised a couple hundred fry in the past from Cynotilapia sp. "hara" . The females were always just a plain blue rather than a brown coloration and males never had the black markings on the tail fin and less barring. They look more like Metriaclima pulpican in my opinion


Good eye, Indecisive!

PS - Maybe we should remind silent auction bidders that they can view the actual fish in the show room before they bid ... I know ... that won't solve industry "supply side" issues much.
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3 years 10 months ago #35847 by scubadiver
I email Dave Schumacher, he is familiar with the source. It looks like they are Metriaclima pulpican Likoma, which I think was what you guessed. Sorry that they were not what you were hoping for. If you dont want them I would gladly take these fish off your hand for what you paid + 20% for your troubles.

Hi Jason,

The "white top afra" name is confusing, because neither of the fish that are sold under that name are afra. The ones in your pics are Metriaclima pulpican Likoma (used to be known as sp. "Kingsizei"). Hope that helps!

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3 years 10 months ago #35846 by mikeg2929
Interesting thing is this has happened with the same fish, before. At a classic 4 or 5 years ago, scott carlson (who is a very discerning aquariast) pointed out a similar issue in a group of haras that had been donated by some farm. Another root of the problem is chain of custody. Fish are caught, shipped, traded, re-shipped, etc. and every step of the way some guy has a magic marker in his hand writing a name on a bag.

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3 years 10 months ago #35844 by newworld
The estherae I got were a mess.....

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3 years 10 months ago #35843 by scubadiver
Email Dave from Dave's Rare Fish with pictures, people who write books ask for his assistance with identification.

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3 years 10 months ago - 3 years 10 months ago #35842 by IndecisiveCichlidKeeper
I've had good luck in the past with stuff from, Mikeg. This time though I think there is some error in identification though since the females are brown where hara females are blue and the tails have black markings.
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3 years 10 months ago #35837 by mikeg2929
The farms in florida will ship what they net. If there is a screaming obvious mistake they will pull it out.
They will ship fish missing eyes, fins, etc. The process to review each fish is very, very quick.
If the fish is wild - I was told if it comes in, it will go out as long as it is still alive.
I'm not surprised that the fish doesnt look exactly like what you bought before - it happens all the time.

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3 years 10 months ago - 3 years 10 months ago #35828 by IndecisiveCichlidKeeper
I have raised a couple hundred fry in the past from Cynotilapia sp. "hara" . The females were always just a plain blue rather than a brown coloration and males never had the black markings on the tail fin and less barring. They look more like Metriaclima pulpican in my opinion
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3 years 10 months ago #35827 by PhilandLeeAnn
Have you had Afra juveniles before? I whole heartedly agree that the source for these fish is authoritative. That said, the GCCA is only an intermediary in an area full of biological "complexity." It would be good to know that they colored up with maturity.

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